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Post by heretic on Jun 22, 2006 13:01:37 GMT -5
I would have suggested the Unitarians at one time GK but they seem to have gone completely off the rails, even the ones who still hold only to Christianity. Quite a lot of their beliefs aren't dissimilar to JW's - eg paradise earth rather than Heaven - but they don't believe that Jesus had a prehuman existence.
My mum went to the Unitarian church (Christian not Universal) when she was young - I wonder if that's where my arian leanings are coming from!
But back to my original question too, you're non-Trinitarian, but there's absolutely no way that you would believe that you're not a Christian because of that?
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Post by gkchesterton on Jun 28, 2006 10:05:52 GMT -5
But back to my original question too, you're non-Trinitarian, but there's absolutely no way that you would believe that you're not a Christian because of that? I'm not sure of the question. In order to continue in my stance I have to be at least a little self-assured. However, I am no longer totally convinced. I find two trinitarian arguments frustrating for me: 1.) The constant unmutable fatherhood of the Father 2.) That Jesus created all things seen and *unseen*. Hence time. If he created time then creation ex nihlo/out of nothing becomes a problem since he shares at least a type of existance with God. Since I'm unable to resolve those two I'm at best a shakey Arian. |
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Post by onpatmos on Jun 28, 2006 18:28:16 GMT -5
Good to see you back gk. 2.) That Jesus created all things seen and *unseen*. Hence time. If he created time then creation ex nihlo/out of nothing becomes a problem since he shares at least a type of existance with God.I don't see where you're going with this. Please feel free to explain more. The beginning of my questioning of my own neo-arianism was when I began to question whether or not time was a created phenomenon. It was after reading these sentences in the All Scripture Is Inspired book: Jehovah himself lives in an eternity of time. As for his creatures, it has pleased him to set them in the stream of time. ("Time and the Holy Scriptures", para. 2) I reasoned - if time ("the stream of time", above) is a created thing - then Christ created it - then Arius' statement "there was a time when the Son was not" is false. (This was around the same time I was calling on the devout man  So I see time being created as working against Arianism. Please expand on what you said above, as it relates to this, if you like. |
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Post by gkchesterton on Jul 2, 2006 19:46:39 GMT -5
Jehovah himself lives in an eternity of time. As for his creatures, it has pleased him to set them in the stream of time. ("Time and the Holy Scriptures", para. 2) I reasoned - if time ("the stream of time", above) is a created thing - then Christ created it - then Arius' statement "there was a time when the Son was not" is false. (This was around the same time I was calling on the devout man Exactly. Even if you include the societies "other" in the verse in question you are left with "all things unseen". This means time. If Christ created time he is at the very least co-incidental with time and therefore, effectively, timeless/eternal. He therefore shares a quality with God. On that alone I stopped arguing "co-substantial" with those who believe in the trinity. It sure seemed like he *might* at least be co-substantial. Like I said. I'm a weak Arian. Right now I'm hoping that an angel shows up and just says, "this way". It would make things so much easier. |
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Post by anne on Jul 14, 2008 9:11:18 GMT -5
This is a good Scripture ,ACTS : 20v 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock,among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers,to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood....
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Post by wanderer on Sept 15, 2008 13:00:08 GMT -5
... for one to be a Christian? I was reading some other boards a few days ago and one poster had replied to another that although they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, since they didn't believe in the Trinity they 'obviously' couldn't be a Christian.    Aside from the fact that I was horrified that someone would declare this judgement on another believer, do you think they were correct in their belief? NO. Nobody will ever have a perfect perspective of God. God is not marking theology tests either. |
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Post by anne on Oct 25, 2009 6:41:37 GMT -5
had a great answer from a priest on the Trinity.......not mentioned in the Bible but once you read the Bible you will find it there.
Bible studies/ altar calls/ prayer meetings/church attendance etc: are also not in the Bible yet many denoms accept them....
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