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Post by catholicxjw on Aug 15, 2005 9:52:53 GMT -5
Tell us why you picked the one you did as your favorite.
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Post by saintless on Aug 16, 2005 13:22:58 GMT -5
I don't know anything about the saints listed, except St. Augustine. But I love his story! I identify with him a lot, with having gone out to the world and lived my life without God, and now having come back.
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Post by heretic on Aug 20, 2005 17:52:23 GMT -5
I've not voted yet! As my starter, Tertullians writings were quite good until he went a bit 'off the rails' with his beliefs. I do like Augustine's life story too but don't really know much about his teaching.
*goes away to read up about the rest of the options*
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Post by heretic on Aug 23, 2005 13:47:29 GMT -5
OK, it was a close run vote but Athanasius got it by a whisker! The poor guy kept getting sent into exile every time an Arian leader took charge. I think we have much to thank him for in retaining the creed as we have it today.
Irenaeus came second because he fought tirelessly against Gnosticism.
These two therefore fought loudest against the two biggest threats to early Christianity.
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Post by hippo393 on Aug 24, 2005 3:23:14 GMT -5
Well I voted for St. Augustine for reasons similar to what saintless mentioned. Plus didn't he preside over the council of Hippo in 393?
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Post by credo on Sept 6, 2005 0:04:28 GMT -5
I picked 'other' My favourite Saint has to be Pope St Pius V. This is because He, in His encyclical 'Quo Primum', set in stone the Tridentine (Latin) Mass for all time. www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htmGod bless Credo
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Post by kaysette on Nov 7, 2005 0:09:54 GMT -5
I voted for Irenaeus because I was trying to refute something which someone believed and the only thing I knew to do, was to go back far enough to prove that the early church did NOT believe what their "prophet" taught. While studying his writings, I realized that he believed quite a few things that maybe I hadn't been taught exactly right on either. This lead me into a secretive, 5 year quest to learn everything I could learn about church history (on the internet). Finally, I told my husband that I thought the Catholic church may be right. He looked at me quite bewildered and I said "No, I am not kidding...we actually believe more like Catholics than any church we have ever gone to...we just didn't know it." From there, he started asking questions and I started sharing things I had learned. It took me 5 years to get the courage to tell him, thinking he would never understand. It took him about 1 month to decide that the Catholic Church was where we needed to be. Now, we are waiting on the whole Tribunal process. We have been married 23 years, but 12 years prior to that, we were married as kids to people we should never have married. It has now officially come back to "haunt us." We had NO clue we would have to go through all this. It is really new and sometimes confusing.... Thanks for inviting me here....
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Post by NanaR on Jun 11, 2007 5:54:01 GMT -5
Hi all,
I realize this poll is a couple of years old, but I just couldn't resist.
I just finished reading "Four Witnesses" and loved it!!
I chose Justin Martyr because he was a philosopher/apologist. Also I admire him because he was a lay person who nevertheless had a calling. And finally, I admire his great courage in sending two letters directly to the "mouth of the lion" so to speak.
Until reading about him, I did not know that Socrates taught about the "unknown God" whose altar Paul referenced in his famous speech on the Acropolis.
My second choice would be Ignatius of Antioch...
Ruth
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Post by onpatmos on Jun 11, 2007 17:06:31 GMT -5
Ruth
I read "The Four Witnesses" a while back and loved it, also.
When this poll came out I thought to myself - since I haven't read all the Early Church Fathers, how can I say which is my favorite? I still haven't read them all. But since you mentioned Justin Martyr I'll throw in my vote with you because it is his description of an early Christian gathering, circa 155 C.E., in chapters 65 and 67 of his First Apology, that had such a big effect on me.
Funny, the WT (or Awake, I can't remember) had an article on him at one time, and I remember it not being too favorable. I think Irenaeus got a better treatment in their article on him.
All the while that I considered myself to be a studious, serious Witness, I never knew that there existed a description of a Christian gathering written around 155 C.E. Reading what he had to say highly motivated me to want to get to a Catholic Mass and see for myself.
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Post by gusdaberean on May 21, 2008 16:32:03 GMT -5
I chose Iranaeus because his writing were pivotal in my acceptance of the divinity of Christ and also a Nicene understanding of his position in the Godhead. I also would include Tertullian who teaches great Wisdom Christology even though he became a montanist later on. In Him, Agustin J Astacio "Gus, AJ or aka Gusdaberean"
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Post by anne on Jun 21, 2008 12:04:00 GMT -5
I have read how Papias had some strange ideas?chiliasm ???or do you think he was right? a Millenium. ? or Jewish fables.
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Post by NanaR on Jul 2, 2008 9:21:50 GMT -5
I have read how Papias had some strange ideas?chiliasm ???or do you think he was right? a Millenium. ? or Jewish fables. A handful of early Christian writers made speculations regarding Chiliasm or Milleniallism. The writings of Papias are mainly known to use through Eusebius' quotes of them. Only small fragments of his actual writings are known. A great deal of intellectual freedom exists in the Church for theological debate. Bishops safeguard the deposit of faith; theologians assist the process known as "development of doctrine", which mostly involves the application of the practice of the faith to the faithful over time. The section of the Catechism which deals with the end of all things is here: www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm#1043Jeff's podcast on the New Heavens and the New Earth is also excellent. Pax, Ruth
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Post by anne on Feb 23, 2009 17:44:37 GMT -5
What did the early church Fathers teach about Creation? What did the Jews believe? I believe 6 days..... as taught in my school. I don't believe evolution.this just causes confusion...... www.catholicintl.com/scienceissues/dialogue-evolution1.htm Robert Sungensis thoughts on Evolution.above darwin said in 1859 That if the intermediate fossils could not be found then evolution was false......... True science will never conflict with theology Vatican Council 1 said? ...... If you start believing evolution......... won't be long before you leave the Book of Genesis IMO. and where did we get our week of 7 days from? and who is Lord of the Sabbath? The article says: Most catholics who believe in evolution believe in Polygenism..... But what did Jesus say?
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Post by anne on Feb 24, 2009 4:19:58 GMT -5
www.geocities.com/peterpaulmin/AdamEveCatholicChurch.html Just found this link.... and another Quote from Robert :The only absolute certainty we have in this world is what comes from God .The mouth of God in His word it states that He created the Universe in 6 days, -not 6 billion -or 60 billion years.
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Post by anne on Feb 25, 2009 7:27:49 GMT -5
IMO. The Watchtower went beyond the teachings of Scripture and got caught up with evolution.... and just look at the results.Russell laid aside the Bible in favor of his own thoughts/ideas/writings etc: so extra-Biblical. and that is so dangerous. and why so many get caught up in cults.
Following men and not God is a definate No!No!. Jeremiah 17 is very helpful.
5.Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his strength whose heart departs from the Lord.
7 Blessed is the man who trusts in the LordFor he shall be like a tree planted by the waters Which spreads out its roots by the river and will not fear when heat comes, But it's leaf will be green ,and will not be anxiuos in the year of drought Nor will cease from yielding fruit .
Now just what is the fruit of evolution? .............just look how many have left their faith.
It matters not what church leaders think. at the end of the day we all stand before God and answer to Him.We obey God first.................Church leaders are responsible for the flock.
evolution is denying Genesis, and so denying God's Word. don't you see how dangerous this is? think about how much will be lost if we discard Genesis..... already in society we can see laws changing etc: and a 'believe what you want anything goes attitude'
The watchtower denied us freedom to look at other literature, now we have the freedom to look and have opinion/ ideas/thoughts etc; but beware we don't replace the Scriptures with what some bloke thinks................
Jesus knows what He is doing and what we have written down is sufficient for us now... When Jesus walked and talked with His Disciples did he tell them everything? No! he said they wouldn't understand right then..............
Psalm 8 THE GLORY OF CREATION.......
Robert is right IMO.
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